Does our ministry practice throw sand in the gears of the Kingdom?
I’m often asked by people in non-organic churches, particularly pastors, why I don’t care for such things as hierarchical leadership, buildings, denominations, ministry as business methodology and other such non-biblical encrustations. While I try to be gracious when I speak of such issues, particularly in Viral Jesus, there is nevertheless, I believe, a need to talk about such strategic issues.
The assumption is often that these issues are my personal pet peeves and that such issues are a matter of personal preference, somewhat like choosing what shirt one was wearing that particular day. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Another assumption is that I am such a stickler for biblical literalness that I can’t seem to distinguish between what is required biblically (such things as holiness and prayer) and what is optional, such as cultural expressions and technology. The main assumption is that issues like buildings, clergy and ministry as business are just cultural expressions based on our culture and time. The argument goes that having clergy or doing ministry as a business project is no less biblical that talking on a telephone or using a computer. For the record I use both telephones and computers. Again, this is a false assumption and in my opinion, a false analogy.
So why do I care so much about such issues? There are two interrelated issues that create concern on my part. The two issues are frictionlessness and the lordship of Jesus. I will address each separately, but they are deeply related and I am aware of the relationship.
I was watching a Ted Talk the other day and was struck by Jennifer Pahlka’s use of the word “frictionless.” I thought, that’s it, we need an ecclesiology that is frictionless; one that doesn’t get in the way of Jesus’ agenda, which is the spread of His Kingdom. The way the church functioned and the way they did ministry in the New Testament was frictionless; it did not interfere with Jesus’ agenda, it was built exactly for that purpose. The old saying form follows function holds true in ecclesiology as well as building automobiles.
When we do what seems to us as innocuous, like focusing ministry in a building, there are all sorts of unintended consequences. In effect we have taken a Kingdom expanding ministry and forced it to be stuck in place and time. New Testament ministry was apostolically and prophetically centered (besides the main focus on Jesus the Lord). It was a ministry done “out there,” in society. It had no barriers of place or time. And it was always moving outward. If the best place to meet seekers is in a parking lot at 3 AM, then apostles do exactly that. They can plant a church right there among people who would never darken the door of a church. But the second we have “worship service” at 11:00 AM on Sunday, and do the majority of ministry in a designated building, biblically designed apostolic ministry grinds to a halt. It is like throwing sand in the gears of the Kingdom. Our ministry practice ceases to be frictionless. It starts to get in the way of Jesus’ well thought out and frictionless ministry practice. In other words, the rapid and effective flow of the Kingdom out into society is greatly compromised. Building are just one example of sand in the Kingdom’s gears, there are many others which I explore is Chapter 5: The Crumbling of a Viral Jesus Movement, in Viral Jesus.
The other issue I have with non-biblical ecclesiology is how such behavior compromises the lordship of Jesus Christ. Let’s take ministry as a business project as an example. Biblical ministry behavior was based on Jesus actually making the command decisions. One great place to see this in practice is Acts 16:6-10 another is Acts 13:1-3. Note in Acts 16, as Paul and friends move through Asia minor, how Jesus himself directs them in where to go and what to do. Note such powerful phrases as: kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia and but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to, and concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. This is ministry directed by Jesus himself and discerned through prophecy.
In place of such spiritually powerful and effective ministry, we decide that American business practice and its use of human planning, like time bound and quantifiable goals, will make us more effective. All it does is strip away control of the ministry from Jesus the Lord and place it firmly in our foolish human hands. Again I discuss this in Viral Jesus. We have replaced supernaturally powerful, Jesus directed ministry for humanly powerful, man directed ministry. Just remember whoever makes the decision is the lord. If we make decisions we are lords, if Jesus makes the decisions He is Lord.
So my concern for the foolish later historical encrustations in the Church (Christendom) are not merely issues of personal preference, they are strategic and they are spiritual. I believe it would do us well to discuss this openly and graciously so we all become more effective at following Jesus into the harvest. That was one of my goals for writing Viral Jesus.
- What other ministry practices besides using buildings and ministry as a business do you think interferes with the frictionless spread of the Kingdom?
- Why do you think the church began to adopt these non-biblical practices?
- Do you believe, like I do, that God intentionally built such things as ecclesiology and ministry practice to be frictionless and led by Him, or are you not persuaded by my argument?
- How can we have Jesus led ministry if we don’t practice prophecy? How can we determine which prophecies are from the Lord and which are fleshly if we don’t study and practice discernment of spirits?
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Your comments are very interesting, and, to various degrees, they resonate with me. I have been on both sides of the friction, and once was a much more ardent supporter of a clear-cut structure than I am now, although my post might appear to be a defense of structure. I do not, however, intend to be defensive.
When I read the accounts of the early church in Acts, I read of meetings. We even have an account of Eutychus, who feel asleep in one of those meetings and fell out of a window and was raised from the dead by the Apostle (Acts 20). I guess it was the least Paul could do for being so long-winded, right? Wouldn’t Paul have created a lot of friction with his leadership style? Wouldn’t some of the issues he stood on and caused friction over be condemned by many in the church today – organic or overtly-structured?
When I read 1 Corinthians 11-14 it seems like the church in Corinth, at least, met regularly. I am no doubt reading this through my own 20th century framework, but don’t these chapters at least imply a weekly meeting with an announced time?
Of course we can get into a discussion about the influences of Jewish synagogue worship on the early church, influences which still may be felt today to smaller or greater degrees… but that’s not addressed in Scripture. We do, however, have Scriptures that imply a corporate gathering as well as fluid house-to-house fellowship and prayer.
I currently serve a church in a denomination with an overt structure, and I have served non-denominational local churches in the area of worship and music ministry, which, although all of us try to foster collaberative atmospheres, is an area with pretty clear “power structures” (director/choir, worship leader/worship team, worship pastor/congregation). I would never say I have a “career” in ministry, yet my ability to support my family lies in the “successful” completion of my “responsibilities.” So, I guess in many ways I am part of the problem. Yet isn’t there a place for godly pastors who are supported by their congregations, as the congregations feel led to support them?
More and more, I feel the call to preach and get out in the community and do ministry among those who have not yet been meaningfully touched by the gospel. There is a part of me that wishes we could get over ourselves. We – individually and sadly coporately – are usually the biggest hindrances to a vibrant relationship with Jesus Christ based on love and displayed in obedience.
I’m sure I’ve said too much at this point. I’m looking forward to further dialog. And, yeah, I gotta get the book Viral Jesus and read it!
Hi Andrew,
Thank you for your comments and honest questions. As I said in the post, we do need to dialog about this, but we need to do it graciously. I appreciate your gracious and thoughtful questions. Paul speaking to the folks in Ephesus in Acts 20:7 is one of the classic examples of eisegetical translation (putting our modern ecclesiology back into the translations). The Greek actually states “dielegeto autois” “he dialogued to/with them.” In many versions this is rendered he preached to them. The KJV renders it “preached unto them.” They were dialoging. Paul was a respected apostle, teacher and elder. I’m sure he probably did a lot of the talking but it was a dialog, not a sermon. Would I condemn anything I understand Paul having done that night. I’ve been in many sessions like that myself. In fact, they are a not uncommon element of a number of organic workshop/conferences I’ve been to.
Concerning Corinth or any New Testament church. I have no problem with meeting regularly. I don’t have a particular problem with meeting at scheduled times. But the church is people meeting together. It is not the agenda that counts, it is what happens when people meet under the lordship of Jesus Christ. My own experience in both more modern/traditional expressions of the church and more organic expressions is the less planning and human control the better the quality of spiritual growth. On occasion, in an organic meeting, someone might note that we are drifting away for where we should be and point the group back to Jesus. But what is lacking is an order of service which must be stuck to. We assume and usually experience that Jesus will lead the meeting and take us where He wants to go. That is a tremendous experience to have Jesus lead a meeting and those who have experienced it never want to do anything else. With my group of friends who meet together regularly we have also experienced another form of Jesus leadership. Jesus will give one or more of us a sense that we need to do a certain kind of thing the next time we meet. We usually discuss this by email or phone calls and if there is a general consensus that this is Jesus’ leading we do it. But again, it isn’t usually very structured as much as it is theme focused.
Concerning pastors supported by congregations. This is not a simple subject. First, Jesus has not deserted the traditional structures nor do I suspect he will ever do so. Some people are called to these structures. I equate this to David’s call to be king. The institution of Israel’s monarchy was a direct insult and affront to God (I Sam. 8:6-9). Nevertheless, God being a gracious and long suffering God not only allowed the monarchy but called David to be a king. David would have been rebellious to reject that calling.
This being said we don’t see paid clergy in the New Testament. We do see financial support going to apostles, although it was as God led, not a salary. Pastors in organic churches are not clergy. They are gifted people who have the gift of pastor. They take care of the emotional and relational hurts in the body in the power and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Christian pastors are not mentioned much in the New Testament. There is one reference in Eph 4:11. There is also an instruction in I Pet. 5 for elders to shepherd the flock. I believe these are actually two different things. One is a spiritually gifted person expressing their spiritual gift. The other is the more mature (elders-not a positional title) giving mature spiritual guidance to the less mature. But that’s just my take. At best pastors are mentioned twice in the New Testament. It’s not much evidence to build a scriptural base for the prominent position that pastors play in the modern church.
You stated “More and more, I feel the call to preach and get out in the community and do ministry among those who have not yet been meaningfully touched by the gospel.” I wonder if that isn’t a bit of apostolic gifting and calling coming to the fore. I don’t know. That is between you and Jesus confirmed in a trusted community. But, what you are describing as a call is more apostolic than pastoral.
Finally, as you note, “We – individually and sadly corporately – are usually the biggest hindrances to a vibrant relationship with Jesus Christ based on love and displayed in obedience.” In essence that is what I was trying to get at in my post. We, and our traditions get in the way of the spread of the Kingdom. We need to take that seriously.
Thanks again for your thoughtful interaction.
Warmly in Jesus,
Ross
I agree with your premise of covertly or overtly friction causing problems in proclaiming the Word. But here comes the sand –
We are admonished to “not forsake the gathering of the saints.” Our church currently does not own a building, but we worship in a building at the gracious invitation of the church in our local area. We have worshiped in homes. We have worshiped in our own rented space. We have found that being totally “friction-less” as you call it, does not work the way you describe. It is a problem to the building of a “congregation” if that is a good word to use. I do not get any pay from the church I serve and only offerings pay for our storage of the “church” belongings. When I was told by God to serve HIM, He did not say he would make me the pastor of a large Church. He did not say I would be the most eloquent of speakers. He did say that if I would be still – He would show me HE was GOD and the one to whom my love should be shown. AS I reflect on your post, I like it, but I also am disturbed by it. I think there is dirt or sand as you call it in every thing in life. We do need to limit the amount and where it is kept.
The disturbing part is that there is no cohesive part to the way the ministry should be proclaimed. Please explain.
The encouraging part is that I can see the friction-less or better said “less friction” church being the wave of the future. People are increasingly disturbed about having to go to another thing in their weekly routines. That is until they meet the Savior. Our mission is to reach the lost and tell them the “Good News.” Maybe then they will not mind meeting once a week for a couple of hours to hear an old wind-bag like me preach about the love of God. I am still learning at the age of 64, but still willing to change if that is what GOD says. 4 hour sermons are not out of reality with me – I can preach for hours – and make sense – people do fall asleep – like Eutychus. But, I do not want to get into the ministry of waking people from the dead right now. I will leave that to the people who preach that kind of stuff.
This is why I am a Pastor. To reach and teach the lost. Not some building or place to worship, but to live the way Paul taught and to reach the way he taught. Loving others through the hard times and the not so hard times. God is GOOD all the time. I trust him – I love Him and I serve Him.
God Bless and many prayers,
John
Dear John,
I want to respond to your comment with kindness and respect, yet respond to your concerns and deal with the issues. In other words, I want to speak the truth in love. I’m not claiming I have perfect truth, I certainly don’t, but I do want to express what I see as truth and explain it.
Your first concern seems to be my observation about how buildings create sand in the gears. You say, “We have found that being totally “friction-less” as you call it, does not work the way you describe.” I suspect that your assumption is that I’m suggesting merely moving ministry to a house cures problems. Is doesn’t, nor would I suggest that it does. I’m suggesting that pinning ministry predominantly to a specific place (any building) and time creates sand in the gears. If we do the exact same thing we would do in a dedicated building (commonly called a church building) but do it in a house, we won’t have solved any friction problems at all. Why? Because the ministry is still pinned down to a specific place and time. It is just done in a house instead of a dedicated building. I specifically said, in the post, “But the second we have “worship service” at 11:00 AM on Sunday, and do the majority of ministry in a designated building, biblically designed apostolic ministry grinds to a halt. It is like throwing sand in the gears of the Kingdom. Our ministry practice ceases to be frictionless.” What difference does it make if that building is a big building at the corner of 1st and Main or if it is Joe’s house on Canary Street? The issue is pinning down ministry to place and time rather than doing the majority of ministry “out there.” Sure my friends and I meet. In our case about twice a month. We do this for reflection, fellowship and to minister to each other. But the majority of what we are doing is “out there” not “in here.” Could it be that you didn’t find that moving to a house created friction-less ministry because you were actually still stuck in place and time? With all due respect I don’t think you have really answered my concerns, you’ve just misunderstood them. Perhaps I’m wrong about that.
The problem with buildings per se is that they are an incredible waste of resources (although I didn’t bring this up in the post). Not only do they pin our ministry down to place and time, they do it in an incredibly expensive way. My friends, with whom I meet, are all involved in ministry “out there.” How much of what we give as offerings goes to a building or a meeting place? The answer in 2012 was $250. We spent that $250 as a “thank you” to a friend who allowed us to use meeting rooms in a business building he owned when we had a conference to train 50 church planters. By the way,he didn’t ask for anything. This year we might not spend anything on a meeting place, or maybe more, it depends on the need. But $250 to train 50 church planters is, in my mind, money well spent on a place.
You state, “The disturbing part is that there is no cohesive part to the way the ministry should be proclaimed. Please explain.” I’d try to explain but I don’t understand the comment. Perhaps I have addressed your concern above or below.
You state, “The encouraging part is that I can see the friction-less or better said “less friction” church being the wave of the future. People are increasingly disturbed about having to go to another thing in their weekly routines. That is until they meet the Savior. Our mission is to reach the lost and tell them the “Good News.”” Agreed, I do believe, 1.) Less friction ministries are the wave of the future. The less friction the better and nothing is without a little friction. 2.) People are increasingly disturbed with having to go to another meeting… Mostly, in my opinion, because they sense that ministry as we have come to know it does very little for their spiritual life and does almost noting to fulfill Jesus imperatives in Matt. 28:18-20. 3.) When people encounter Jesus in any meeting they will be encouraged. 4.) Our mission is to reached the lost and tell them the good news. Agreed again, my concern is that the way we do it is so filled with friction that Jesus’ agenda is almost completely set aside, not for lack of trying (although that is a significant problem too) but because we have so much sand in the gears that our gospel sharing ministries don’t really go anywhere.
If God has called you to be a “Pastor” go ahead (I know what you mean by the word even if it is not a biblical use of the word). I don’t think everyone is called to the kind of ministry I’m called to. But I suspect those who are called to stay in “the way church has become” will spend the majority of their time taking care of the same sheep who never (or very seldom) find new sheep. In other words the flock they are taking care of has a very low (or non-existent) birth rate. That’s not a position a shepherd wants to find himself in (a real shepherd taking care of real sheep or a metaphorical one taking care of God’s sheep). Nor is that doing ministry the way Paul taught. It doesn’t resemble it in almost any aspect biblical ecclesiology, except gathering. And that brings us right back to the main point of my post. The traditional way we do things is not bibilical (the way Jesus, Paul and others model for us in the Scriptures which was “out there” not “in here”), or effective. But it is incredibly expensive for all its lack of effectiveness. In other words, it has so much sand in its gears that it has become a barrier to God’s objectives.
Thank you for answering my post. I agree with what you are saying and I agree with your intended message. Don’t get me wrong. Many would believe the church building is the church. That being said, I want to ask you a question – when you have people that don’t go “out there” and want to stay “in here” – what do you do. I am trying to send my people on missions and they look at me kind of funny and say “WHAT?” They are babies and do not get it!
Sometimes i wonder if I get it by their responses. I have tried the Paul way – the timothy way the way the truth and the Life of Jesus. Nothing gets them out of their own way. As I get ready for my service today, I am reminded that it is God’s church and HE WILL BUILD IT> Thank you God, I don’t have to build His Church.
Pray for me and my people. We are truly trying to get the Church to be about people. Trying to get them to think outside the walls. Trying to get them to think is a problem. They want to come to church for their hour or two and hen forget that church is a living thing.
Your brother,
John
Hi John,
What you are experiencing is what most people in ministry and who are trying to move forward in community (or want a community that is moving forward) face. Here’s my observation about that. We have slowly developed a way of doing church over the last 1,700 to 1,800 years which almost forces the vast majority to become passive. It has gotten to the point that some will even say going to church (by this they mean a church service) is my ministry. When I was a missionary in Guatemala there was a saying out in the villages “Vamos a ver la misa” which translates “We are going to see the Mass.” The meaning was, I’m going to go to a church service where the spiritual magic is. If that means the Catholic Mass or the latest Pentecostal service, so be it, Vamos a ver la misa. Most Christians in places like the US or Canada, Europe or Australia don’t have a saying, but they tacitly do the same thing. They go get their weekly church fix and then they are done until next week. There is no thought toward even asking God what he wants them to do. They think they already know, its go to church, that’s what Christians do.
My point in a number of by blog posts and one of the points I make in my book Viral Jesus is that the way we do church has created the problem. If you think about how we do church and the focus of what we do in church, it just begs to have passive people who think it is all about them instead of its all about Jesus. They come in, they sit down and they have a Sunday School class that is about learning certain ideas that are supposed to help them. Then they go sit down in the sanctuary, stand up and sing, sit down and hear announcements, stand up and pray, sit down and listen to a sermon, have a few closing activities that basically say “were done now.” Then they go home. And everything they hear and do is supposed to “feed them.” If we had tried to set up a spiritual environment that causes spiritual passivity and inevitable long term spiritual immaturity we couldn’t have found a better way to do it. But that really isn’t what anyone is aiming for. We just don’t know how to do it any differently so we do what we know and get the same results. And, every once in a while someone in this system still does mature and find a deep connectedness to Christ which sending them into the harvest field. But it doesn’t happen very often because the way we do things doesn’t really promote that.
If we want different results we are going to have to break away from the way things have always been done…no matter how comfortable they are. That’s what my friends and I are doing and we are getting better results. It is not what we long for yet, but we are making new disciples of Christ and we are planting little gatherings of new believers. Our group hasn’t gone beyond the second generation yet; that is a church that plants a church. Although I do have friends here in the Bay area who have seen at least 15 generations and the network they sparked off has gone not only to a number of other cities but other countries. Most of this is under the radar of the vast majority of people, which is fine. No one should be doing any ministry to be noticed or admired.
So my friends and I have had better results but not yet what we are aiming for. In the process we have learned quite a bit. We have learned that we don’t yet know how to crack the code in affluent suburbia. We haven’t gone beyond second generation there yet; although we are trying new things that we believe God has lead us to. The 15 generation thing started in San Francisco but wasn’t among middle class suburbia (nor was it anything I was personally involved in). We’ve also learned that if the way we do this ministry in any way is focused on us needing to provide anything it won’t reproduce. People, new Christians or long standing ones, want someone else to do it for them. It’s better never to give them a chance. We learned this by making heartbreaking mistakes. But, we are learning and we are getting some results. So we continue forward.
John, I too have experienced something quite similar to what you describe, even though we’ve changed the way we do things. My struggle has been that many people come out of “the way we’ve always done things” but aren’t ready for doing something particularly different. They want what Wolfgang Simson calls a church in a house not a house church; or as John White says it, “Honey I shrunk the church.” Here’s what that looks like. You get a bunch of people who are already Christians. They have long experience in “the way things have always been done.” They have been deeply marked by it in ways they don’t really notice or understand. So, what they really want is a little cozy group that ministers to each other and feels safe to them. But don’t ask them to give of themselves sacrificially for the sake of reaching the world. That’s uncomfortable. And they want comfort. The church, in their mind, is still all about them. It’s just smaller. You asked “what do you do?” Here’s what what my friends and I do. We let anyone who is interested in joining with us (an already experience Christian) that we are missional. We are about “out there” and when we do any gathering together it will have some aspect of preparing us to continue to go “out there.” If they aren’t interested they’ll go somewhere else. And my God bless them. I don’t mean that sarcastically. May God bless them in their journey so that they can meet Him more deeply. If they do, he’ll launch them “out there,” because that’s one of the major things He cares about. A few hear us say the words “we’re missional” but don’t take it seriously. After all it one of the new buzz words. But when they hang out with us for any length of time they either join in or find somewhere else to go because we are serious about what we say and, in all our human weakness and mistakes, are living it.
Thanks for responding again. I hear what you are saying. I UNDERSTAND what you are saying. I BELIEVE what you are saying is the mission of the church. I WANT TO DO what this mission is calling us to do “out there.” My Question is HOW DO I help motivate the people to want the same thing. I can’t talk about this every time we meet. That would turn them off in a hurry.
This week, I purposely stated that Organic Church is what we want to be – a living organism “Out There” doing things. They went on about they had tried that and nothing worked. I do believe they are stuck in a rut and cannot see – -kind of “Blinded in their sin” type of blindness. I want to go do for people, and want our congregation to be about that work and not having a great worship service.
I need to get your book and read it but there has to be a way of obtaining God through this method for them to be excited. I still see passivity in the services and see passive people who want to go to church and do church “in there.”
Again thanks for the responses, they are helpful to me – now I need to translate them into a movement for encouraging the people to get “out there.”
May God Bless you and your ministry,
John
Just got your book – kindle version – will be reading till I have finished. Pray for me to understand more and to be able translate better to the people under my watch.
John
Well there’s this other bit of sand that I think causes friction. “The sermon”…or rather the idea that the reason we are not to neglect gathering together with other saints is to hear one person “preach”. The “sermon” interferes with the “every member functioning” of the ekklesia and with “one anothering”. Paul “preached” to the lost. He “taught” and “trained” believers, but we have reason to believe his time in the Hall of Tyrannus was NOT anything resembling a modern church wherein he “preached” to the saved. He exhorts the ekklesia to take turns sharing with one another when they gather together. “Each one” brings a psalm, a hymn, a prophecy or a word, etc. I believe Jesus “agenda” is to build a temple of living stones as an expression of His body where each member is just as “important” as the others and no one saint dominates the gathering. We could talk about another grain of sand…which is the interpretation of the passages concerning women, but I won’t open that can of worms until you do, Ross. This is a good post. Some people will “get it” in a frictionless way and others will have a “rub”. Iron sharpens iron.
Hi Leah,
I’m with you on all of this. I would go even further on Paul and company at the Hall of Tyrannus in Acts 19:9. But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus. I believe the disciples mentioned in Acts 19:9 were most likely composed of people he was training for church planting. I suspect we have at least a partial list of those people in Acts 20:4 He was accompanied by Sopater son of Pyrrhus from Berea, Aristarchus and Secundus from Thessalonica, Gaius from Derbe, Timothy also, and Tychicus and Trophimus from the province of Asia. The result of what Paul accomplished at the Hall of Tryannus is mentioned in the very next verse Acts 19:10:This went on for two years, so that all the Jews and Greeks who lived in the province of Asia heard the word of the Lord.
Leah, I’ve opened up the can of worms many times about freeing women up to work in the gifting God has given them. After all God gave them that gifting and He gave them these gifts for the good of His Church and the expansion of His Kingdom. I certainly don’t believe that women are somehow lesser beings, less capable or lesser citizens of the Kingdom of God. In fact, I find those arguments offensive. I’m surprised, actually, how little push back I’ve had when I bring this up. I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if this created a stir. It is surprising how many people want to focus on keeping people out of ministry rather than releasing as many people as possible to function in the power of the Holy Spirit for the accomplishment of God’s purposes.
John, I hope Viral Jesus is helpful to you. We’ve been in contact and if you have any questions as you read it I’m an email away.
Ross
John, I’ve sent you by email contacts with Roy Moran at Shoal Creek Church in Kansas City and Hermie Smit with City Team in San Jose. Roy is a pastor who is using house churches to reach the lost and Hermie is a house church planting trainer. They both use the same training material developed by David Watson. This focused and practical way of doing house church planting has been successful in many areas of the world including the US. For others who are interested in this type of training you can go to City Team’s church planting website.